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By now you should have received through your letterbox a newsletter from Croydon Council making you aware of the council’s proposal to introduce a 20 MPH speed limit in the south of the borough. If you have not received the information by 25 January, then contact Croydon Council on 020 8726 6000 Ext 52831 to request a pamphlet. Please also let us know by sending an email to This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. with your road and house number.

In order to speed up the process and before the next elections in May 2018, the Council have shortened the consultation process and are consulting the remainder of the Borough from 18 January 2017. These areas will not have any physical measures to slow traffic down, only 20 mph signs, spaced at arbitrary distances on street furniture. These 20 mph areas will differ to the current 20 mph zones. Zones only need a 20 mph signs on entry and have no repeater signs.

Unlike the first two areas in the north and north east, where the residents were given the opportunity to vote “Yes” or “No” – the three remaining areas in the Borough will only have the opportunity to respond and object to the blanket 20 mph limit. Therefore, if you are against the blanket 20 mph limit, you must follow the Council guidelines in the leaflet to register your opinion. Despite protests from a number of Residents’ Associations, the Council has denied residents in the remaining area the option to vote “Yes” or “No”. Instead, the three areas in the south and North West will only have until Wednesday 15 February 2017 to respond to object to the blanket 20 mph limit.

The scheme for Area 5, is a presumption in favour of the scheme, and if you do nothing, you will be deemed to have approved of the introduction of the 20 mph limit! If you also object about the proposals for Areas 3 & 4, you will have to submit separate objections to these two areas as well.

HADRA is in South-West Croydon (Area 5) for which the following roads will remain at 30 (or 40 mph);

A2022 - Foxley Lane, Downs Court Rd, Mitchley Ave, Rectory Park, Addington Rd, Selsdon Park Rd;

A22 - Godstone Road;

B269 - Sanderstead Road, Sanderstead Hill, Limpsfield Road.

A23 - Brighton Rd (Coulsdon & Purley) Purley Way, London Rd etc - full length;

A235 - Brighton Road (S Croydon); Purley town centre to Croydon;

A237 - Woodcote Rd & Woodcote Grove Rd;

Chipstead Valley Road;

Stoats Nest Road, Coulsdon Road;

Marpit Lane;

Ditches Lane;

However, the following “major side roads” will be at 20 mph; Mitchley Hill, Purley Downs Road, Riddlesdown Road, Pampisford Road, Hailing Park Road, Foxley Hill Road, Higher Drive. Some roads that have bus routes will have their timetables affected, as buses will not be permitted to travel as fast, i.e. Purley Downs Rd.

There are very conflicting views on the benefits and problems with 20 mph area and it will probably cause heated debate and we should accept that different people have different views and priorities. The Council won’t commit themselves as to the number of objectors, and how many people have to object, for them to consider that the scheme has been rejected in each area! All they are saying at the moment, is that it will be considered at Traffic Management Advisory Committee and then referred to Cllr Stuart King, the Cabinet Member for Transport and the Environment.

To introduce the 20 mph blanket limit in all five areas, it will cost the Council £1.5m. However, Tfl are funding the cost, although Croydon residents still pay for this through their Council tax.

It does however remain to be seen how extensively it will be enforced by the Police, who are the only Service that can prosecute motorists for speeding. At the moment, you rarely see any Police enforcement in the current 30 mph residential side streets, so we perhaps need to ask; what are the chances they will police this new limit? It is generally agreed that 20 mph should be in force near schools (when children are present), but is it practical for all our streets, especially with the many steep hills in our area, where most vehicles won’t get out of 2nd gear and will create more engine noise and possibly more air pollution?

Information about road statistics from Crashmap, since 1999, can be found at http://www.crashmap.co.uk/ and by typing in “Purley” in the location. This provides very useful information and the vast majority of accidents and serious injuries in Area 5 since 1999, are on the roads that will remain at 30 mph.

When the Council announced plans for the 20 mph limit in 2015, the press release then said, “Extensive 20 mph limits reduce the risk of accidents, cut congestion and pollution levels, encourage less car use and discourage rat-running in quieter streets.” The Croydon Labour administration now, in addition, say the main aims of the introduction of a 20 mph speed limit in an area are to:

improve road safety;

discourage passing through traffic;

encourage walking and cycling;

improve the local environment.

More information is on the Croydon Council’s website and there is also a FAQ’s page, but there is no evidence provided to back up the above claims.

There are two Public Meetings on Thursday 2 and Thursday 9 February at 7.30p.m. to be held at Coulsdon Community Centre – main hall, Chipstead Valley Rd, Coulsdon CR5 3BE, to discuss the implications of a 20mph speed limit, the consultation process and how to object.

An electronic copy of the Public Notices and the Maps for areas 3, 4 & 5 under consultation can be obtained from the council website by clicking the following link: here
HADRA is in Area 5

 

HOW TO OBJECT

Objections must be made by email or by post by Wednesday 15 February 2017 as follows:

By Email: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. is the best method as Croydon Council should send you an acknowledgement email of your objection.

By Post: Order Making Section, Parking Design Team, Place Department,

Croydon Council, Floor 6 Zone C, Bernard Weatherill House, 8 Mint Walk, Croydon CR0 1EA

It is better to send in a simple objection for one area, and then a separate one for a second area, rather than one objection – it helps to ensure all points made are logged and counted for each area.

 

Subject of email or title of letter.

PROPOSED 20MPH LIMIT – NORTH-WEST CROYDON (AREA 3) - PD/CH/A61

or

PROPOSED 20MPH LIMIT – SOUTH-EAST CROYDON (AREA 4) - PD/CH/A62

or

PROPOSED 20MPH LIMIT – SOUTH-WEST CROYDON (AREA 5) - PD/CH/A63

 

I object to this above proposal on the following grounds:

NATURE OF CONSULTATION

Please add the following – or something similar – if you feel that the nature of the consultation is flawed:

The council has discriminated against areas 3, 4, 5 compared with Areas 1+2 who did get a YES / NO vote, and a commitment that a NO would mean the scheme was dropped. Many households have not received the leaflet which leaves the whole process flawed and clearly discriminates against those who do not have access to the internet.

 

PRINCIPLE OF BLANKET 20MPH POLICY

Please mention any of the following reasons that you feel are applicable:

·      A blanket approach is unjustified and wrong, not based on analysis of roads.

·      There is no need to reduce the speed limit from 30mph to 20mph on most of these roads.

·      A speed limit should not be reduced unless there is a clear over-riding necessity to do so, AND there is significant local community support for it.

·      The council has not identified a series of accidents in which vehicles were travelling at speeds between 20 and 30mph, where the accident would be unlikely to have occurred if travelling at 15 to 20mph.

·      This blanket 20mph speed limit would be difficult to enforce, and unlikely to be enforced.  Enforcement would also be a burden on the police, and unlikely to be an effective use of their resources.

·      The council has not made any assessment of the impact on journey times, nor quantified any accident savings that it may anticipate, and so is unable to properly evaluate and balance the cases for and against this speed limit change. The council has failed to properly assess the costs of these lower speed limits – e.g. worse journey times, more fuel used, more pollution, increased costs for bus services, deliveries and taxis.

·      The council should propose variable speed limits on some of these roads, e.g. near schools.

·      Cars are most fuel-efficient at 30-35mph.  Going slowly at 20mph uses much more fuel, causes more emissions and therefore will not improve the environment.

 

INDIVIDUAL ROADS

Please name the particular roads you want to comment on and some of the reasons you could give for objecting are as follows:

·      A 20mph limit on this stretch of road would be likely to be seen as unrealistically low by drivers, leading to significant non-compliance.

·      This road is a short quiet cul-de-sac, where a 20mph limit would just be a waste of time and money.

·      The speed limit in this road would be difficult to enforce, and unlikely to be enforced.  Enforcement would also be a burden on the police, and unlikely to be an effective use of their resources.

·      If complied with, the speed limit reduction would have an adverse impact on journey times on this road.

·      This road is suitable for a variable 20mph speed limits near the school, only at school times.

·      A 20mph limit on this road would not improve road safety, or discourage through traffic, or encourage walking and cycling, or improve health or tackle obesity, or improve quality of life / local environment

·      There is no need to reduce the speed limit from 30mph to 20mph on this stretch of road.

Please add any other points you wish to make under the relevant heading.

 

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